"There are only the pursued, the pursing, the busy and the tried.” thinks Nick after asking Jordan Baker to dinner. This sentence can be criticized and evaluated through various lenses, this actually happens when the different meaning of "pursue" is distinguished and examined.
This can be seen as a Marxist lens When looking at how "the pursued" are the people whom are of the high social class. "The pursuing" however, symbolizes the people whom are of a lower social class, since they go after the people that are considered better (the pursued). "The busy" are actually the people whom are occupied by a certain job or perhaps a certain cause in their lives that keeps them busy and idle. Similarly, "the tired" are the ones whom are fed up of the actions that happen through their lives which made them give up and get weak. All of these shows the struggles between the social classes, where "the pursing" tries to reach up to "the pursued", while "the busy" would actually be someone trying to improve their life to become better (be one of the high social class; considered a pursuing), and "the tired" that actually has gone through the struggles and cannot get out of it, perhaps due to the destiny, and failed to become "the pursued".
In a psychoanalytical lens however, "the pursued" is the one that is followed, and one of the human characteristics is that they always like and are predicted to follow the trend rather than creating theirs. Basically, nick agrees with that as he says that statement, since he proves how people either follows one another or have a certain issue (conflict) that stops them of doing so (not that they actually do not want to).Summing up, “Pursuing” is the desire in people where some actually go after and some are not capable of reaching. (Nicks’ desire in Jordan Baker is the factor why he is going after her.)
A Feminist lens however, conveys that "The pursuing" would probably be seen as a female, since females are always seen as the following factor (dependent). Mrs. Myrtle for example cheats on her husband with Tom, because Tom is wealthier and considered a better factor to depend on, resulting in her pursuing towards Tom by her frequent travelling to New York. On the other hand, the story also shows the opposite where males are actually the ones chasing after the females, this is shown when Nick is after Jordan Baker and Gatsby is chasing after Daisy.
Myrtle's first name is Myrtle. Her full name is Myrtle Wilson. So she would be referred to as Mrs. Wilson, not Mrs. Myrtle.
For a feminist lens, I would think the ones pursuing are the men, as, for example Myrtle would not be able to cheat on her husband with Tom if Tom wouldn't go visit her first in order to arrange a meeting. It is after Tom makes the initiation, that she pursues him, but it is all under his control, as if he were to not visit her ever again, the arrangement would be off. Myrtle wouldn't be able to go off on her own to pursue Tom.
The pursued in this situation are the women, such as Daisy, Jordan, and Myrtle. The fact that Jordan doesn't precisely symbolize feminism could be a reason why Nick did not exactly think she was the most ideal person (he noticed that she is a liar, ect) but he continues the relationship. Gatsby on the other hand, has an extremely ideal picture on what Daisy supposedly is and fails to notice any flaw within her. Gatsby doesn't get sick of Daisy, Tom may get annoyed with Daisy, but he always returns to her, but Nick gets sick of Jordan and doesn't wish to see her again.
The tired could be the men, as Tom is tired of Daisy at times so he runs off with Myrtle, Nick gets sick of Jordan and wishes to discontinue his relationship with her (nearing the end of the novel). Gatsby eventually gets tired of waiting outside of Daisy's house and goes home once she goes to sleep(chapter 7).
Gatsby could be seen as the busy as he still tries to obtain Daisy, though not in the elaborate ways which he once did. Tom is also busy in his management of multiple relationships.
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Chapters 7, 8, 9 Group 5 Question 5. “What has Gatsby been doing in the time between the close of Chapter 7 and the opening of Chapter 8?”
At the ending of Chapter 7, Gatsby is left “just standing [in the front of Daisy’s home]” (p. 142) situated “between two bushes” (p. 142) gazing in through the open windows of Daisy’s home. Gatsby is allegedly attempting to ensure that Tom does not “[try] to bother her about that unpleasantness [that occurred that] afternoon,” (p. 144) and is waiting for a signal from Daisy if Tom “tries any brutality.” (p. 144)
Gatsby is clinging on to any last hope that his dream can be achieved. He is desperately waiting for Daisy to come out of her house, offering to conjoin their lives once again, leaving Tom behind. During this period of time, Gatsby spends hours waiting. He claims it is purely so that Tom does not cause any harm to Daisy due to the conflict which had occurred earlier in the day. If Tom were to assault Daisy, Gatsby would immediately rush to her rescue, instantly willing to scoop up what Tom does not desire and take her for his own means. Gatsby is waiting for this opportunity to arise. Gatsby “[doesn’t] trust [Tom],” (p. 144) Gatsby doesn’t want to trust that Tom really wishes to passionately hold on to Daisy. Gatsby wants to hold on to every miniscule hope which proclaims the possibility of his desire being fulfilled- that he will achieve his dream of obtaining the Daisy whom he placed his ideals upon.
Gatsby is waiting for a sign from Daisy. He is waiting for this certain sign that will announce that his presence is desired once again. Gatsby claims that if Tom is going to attempt to harm Daisy, then “she’s going to turn the light out and on again.” (p. 144) Gatsby is awaiting the moment when he witnesses the light flicker off, only to turn back on again, symbolizing the regeneration of the relationship. When Daisy turns the light out, with the intention of turning it on again, it symbolizes that Daisy would no longer desire to continue her relationship with Tom, as she would be exposing a relationship flaw, waiting for an intervening subject. The moment she turns it on again, is the moment when she declares that she is ready for Gatsby to intrude on the relationship and release her from a harmful environment. This would be Gatsby’s cue. It would be Gatsby’s cue to march into the house, and declare his possession over Daisy. This is all Gatsby has ever desired for five years: to have the ideal of Daisy. It would be of a great delight to Gatsby to have Daisy running towards him, begging for his company. Gatsby sits there in the darkness waiting for this signal to arise. Gatsby is waiting for Tom to hurt Daisy. If Tom hurts Daisy, Gatsby would have his dream in the palm of his hand.
Nick meets Jordan Baker and says, "Almost any exhibition of complete self sufficiency draws a stunned tribute from me." Explain what this means and why this is relevant to the novel.
At their first encounter, Nick is surprised by Jordan's calm composure and self confidence. He quickly develops a sense of respect and admiration for Jordan, because she is fairly different from the other girls in society.
In the novel, Jordan serves as a character foil to Daisy. Daisy is a typical girl from the upper class, corrupted by her riches, displaying a flair for drama and extravagance. In comparison, Jordan is sporty, independent and mature.
From a feminist point of view, it can be shown that Daisy has the role of the domestic wife while her husband Tom is the head of the family. One assumes that Daisy herself does not hold a profession as it is unmentioned in the novel. As a mother though, Daisy does not express much maternal feelings as “she added irrelevantly: You ought to see the baby.” Daisy’s name in itself represents one of nature which displays the unruly and wild side of her personality.
Jordan herself plays an individual sport, holding a job as a professional golfer and making her own income. Single, Jordan carries herself with maturity and poise. Her gender neutral name demonstrates that her character is one that is dominant and strong. Jordan’s boy-ish style also mirrors the masculine fashion that women were emulating in the 20s as they evolved in society’s culture and entered the workplace.
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Delete"There are only the pursued, the pursing, the busy and the tried.” thinks Nick after asking Jordan Baker to dinner. This sentence can be criticized and evaluated through various lenses, this actually happens when the different meaning of "pursue" is distinguished and examined.
ReplyDeleteThis can be seen as a Marxist lens When looking at how "the pursued" are the people whom are of the high social class. "The pursuing" however, symbolizes the people whom are of a lower social class, since they go after the people that are considered better (the pursued). "The busy" are actually the people whom are occupied by a certain job or perhaps a certain cause in their lives that keeps them busy and idle. Similarly, "the tired" are the ones whom are fed up of the actions that happen through their lives which made them give up and get weak. All of these shows the struggles between the social classes, where "the pursing" tries to reach up to "the pursued", while "the busy" would actually be someone trying to improve their life to become better (be one of the high social class; considered a pursuing), and "the tired" that actually has gone through the struggles and cannot get out of it, perhaps due to the destiny, and failed to become "the pursued".
In a psychoanalytical lens however, "the pursued" is the one that is followed, and one of the human characteristics is that they always like and are predicted to follow the trend rather than creating theirs. Basically, nick agrees with that as he says that statement, since he proves how people either follows one another or have a certain issue (conflict) that stops them of doing so (not that they actually do not want to).Summing up, “Pursuing” is the desire in people where some actually go after and some are not capable of reaching. (Nicks’ desire in Jordan Baker is the factor why he is going after her.)
A Feminist lens however, conveys that "The pursuing" would probably be seen as a female, since females are always seen as the following factor (dependent). Mrs. Myrtle for example cheats on her husband with Tom, because Tom is wealthier and considered a better factor to depend on, resulting in her pursuing towards Tom by her frequent travelling to New York. On the other hand, the story also shows the opposite where males are actually the ones chasing after the females, this is shown when Nick is after Jordan Baker and Gatsby is chasing after Daisy.
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DeleteI was wondering why, looking at it through a feminist lens, Nick pursues Jordan if she isn't exactly the symbol of feminine aspects compared to Daisy.
DeleteMyrtle's first name is Myrtle. Her full name is Myrtle Wilson. So she would be referred to as Mrs. Wilson, not Mrs. Myrtle.
DeleteFor a feminist lens, I would think the ones pursuing are the men, as, for example Myrtle would not be able to cheat on her husband with Tom if Tom wouldn't go visit her first in order to arrange a meeting. It is after Tom makes the initiation, that she pursues him, but it is all under his control, as if he were to not visit her ever again, the arrangement would be off. Myrtle wouldn't be able to go off on her own to pursue Tom.
The pursued in this situation are the women, such as Daisy, Jordan, and Myrtle. The fact that Jordan doesn't precisely symbolize feminism could be a reason why Nick did not exactly think she was the most ideal person (he noticed that she is a liar, ect) but he continues the relationship. Gatsby on the other hand, has an extremely ideal picture on what Daisy supposedly is and fails to notice any flaw within her. Gatsby doesn't get sick of Daisy, Tom may get annoyed with Daisy, but he always returns to her, but Nick gets sick of Jordan and doesn't wish to see her again.
The tired could be the men, as Tom is tired of Daisy at times so he runs off with Myrtle, Nick gets sick of Jordan and wishes to discontinue his relationship with her (nearing the end of the novel). Gatsby eventually gets tired of waiting outside of Daisy's house and goes home once she goes to sleep(chapter 7).
Gatsby could be seen as the busy as he still tries to obtain Daisy, though not in the elaborate ways which he once did. Tom is also busy in his management of multiple relationships.
DeleteI think that we can also allocate these terms (persuing, persued..) with the characters in the book.
Ex) Persued: Daisy
Persuing: Gatsby
Busy: Jordan
Tired: Daisy
-Amy
Gatsby, Daisy, Jordan
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Question 5.
“What has Gatsby been doing in the time between the close of Chapter 7 and the opening of Chapter 8?”
At the ending of Chapter 7, Gatsby is left “just standing [in the front of Daisy’s home]” (p. 142) situated “between two bushes” (p. 142) gazing in through the open windows of Daisy’s home. Gatsby is allegedly attempting to ensure that Tom does not “[try] to bother her about that unpleasantness [that occurred that] afternoon,” (p. 144) and is waiting for a signal from Daisy if Tom “tries any brutality.” (p. 144)
Gatsby is clinging on to any last hope that his dream can be achieved. He is desperately waiting for Daisy to come out of her house, offering to conjoin their lives once again, leaving Tom behind. During this period of time, Gatsby spends hours waiting. He claims it is purely so that Tom does not cause any harm to Daisy due to the conflict which had occurred earlier in the day. If Tom were to assault Daisy, Gatsby would immediately rush to her rescue, instantly willing to scoop up what Tom does not desire and take her for his own means. Gatsby is waiting for this opportunity to arise. Gatsby “[doesn’t] trust [Tom],” (p. 144) Gatsby doesn’t want to trust that Tom really wishes to passionately hold on to Daisy. Gatsby wants to hold on to every miniscule hope which proclaims the possibility of his desire being fulfilled- that he will achieve his dream of obtaining the Daisy whom he placed his ideals upon.
Gatsby is waiting for a sign from Daisy. He is waiting for this certain sign that will announce that his presence is desired once again. Gatsby claims that if Tom is going to attempt to harm Daisy, then “she’s going to turn the light out and on again.” (p. 144) Gatsby is awaiting the moment when he witnesses the light flicker off, only to turn back on again, symbolizing the regeneration of the relationship. When Daisy turns the light out, with the intention of turning it on again, it symbolizes that Daisy would no longer desire to continue her relationship with Tom, as she would be exposing a relationship flaw, waiting for an intervening subject. The moment she turns it on again, is the moment when she declares that she is ready for Gatsby to intrude on the relationship and release her from a harmful environment. This would be Gatsby’s cue. It would be Gatsby’s cue to march into the house, and declare his possession over Daisy. This is all Gatsby has ever desired for five years: to have the ideal of Daisy. It would be of a great delight to Gatsby to have Daisy running towards him, begging for his company. Gatsby sits there in the darkness waiting for this signal to arise. Gatsby is waiting for Tom to hurt Daisy. If Tom hurts Daisy, Gatsby would have his dream in the palm of his hand.
- Vanessa
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Nick meets Jordan Baker and says, "Almost any exhibition of complete self sufficiency draws a stunned tribute from me." Explain what this means and why this is relevant to the novel.
ReplyDeleteAt their first encounter, Nick is surprised by Jordan's calm composure and self confidence. He quickly develops a sense of respect and admiration for Jordan, because she is fairly different from the other girls in society.
In the novel, Jordan serves as a character foil to Daisy. Daisy is a typical girl from the upper class, corrupted by her riches, displaying a flair for drama and extravagance. In comparison, Jordan is sporty, independent and mature.
From a feminist point of view, it can be shown that Daisy has the role of the domestic wife while her husband Tom is the head of the family. One assumes that Daisy herself does not hold a profession as it is unmentioned in the novel. As a mother though, Daisy does not express much maternal feelings as “she added irrelevantly: You ought to see the baby.” Daisy’s name in itself represents one of nature which displays the unruly and wild side of her personality.
Jordan herself plays an individual sport, holding a job as a professional golfer and making her own income. Single, Jordan carries herself with maturity and poise. Her gender neutral name demonstrates that her character is one that is dominant and strong. Jordan’s boy-ish style also mirrors the masculine fashion that women were emulating in the 20s as they evolved in society’s culture and entered the workplace.
Daisy, Jordan